Originally by: Malachor Jankor

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As a noob I can buy a $20 PLEX and sell it in game for about 340 million ISK. I can buy several battleships with 340 million ISK or countless frigates. What is the difference? Hasn't PLEX been around for a while now? DId people protest to this level when it was introduced?

Or is all this anger over the possibility that if people can just buy ships in the NEX store they won't bother selling their PLEX on the market and all those long term players with multiple accounts will have to actually pay for those accounts with real money that they don't have instead of just paying for their accounts with PLEX bought with ISK which they have in abundance?

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Originally by: Twisted Xistance

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> Eve has always been a game based on skill, superior planning, economic strategy ect, the idea of bringing micro transactions threatens to destroy all of this and replace it with, who spends the most wins.

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Originally by: gdjghjhgjfh

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AUR and PLEX are both from CCP
CCP SELLS PLEX, AUR COMES FROM PLEX, YOU PEOPLE ARE ******ED.

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Originally by: Whitehound

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The PLEX is accepted.

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Originally by: Twisted Xistance

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Originally by: Twisted Xistance

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> Eve has always been a game based on skill, superior planning, economic strategy ect, the idea of bringing micro transactions threatens to destroy all of this and replace it with, who spends the most wins.

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Oh really? Can you explain?

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Take dark orbit for example: picture yourself in a fleet battle, 20 a side except one side has X5 ammo........ whos going to win......

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Originally by: Benri Konpaku

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Like Akita said, some players have so much isk right now they wont really notice trading PLEX for Aurum. For now. But what happens when PLEX supplies start falling after enough Aurum trade? What happens once PLEX prices start going up (in isk) just to get that (now required) insta-win ammo or ships only obtainable through NeX?

That's when you'll see what P2W really is and what it does to the game.

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Originally by: Kahza Kado

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If your refering to being able to purchase characters on the bazaar then your dead wrong. Someone had to take the time to to train that character. You cannot buy SKILL POINTS with PLEX. Show me a one day old character up for sale that has the skills to fly a dread let alone a BS.

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Originally by: Kahza Kado

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No, I'm not. Seriously show me how you can by skill points with plex with out buying a character that someone else has trained up to sell. Please!

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Originally by: Birdy Cephon

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No, I doubt you can see the difference, and that is disturbing.

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Originally by: Mara Rinn

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Imagine if you and your friends are playing a game of scrabble: if you pull "Q" out of the tile bag, that means everyone else is playing without the Q, and more significantly you are now required to find a "U" - this is part of the challenge of Scrabble. What happens if the game is changed so that you can buy a "U" at any time, for $0.50? Is that still Scrabble? No it's not. It's a board game involving spelling words using tiles, but the restrictions on the tiles mean that the game of Scrabble is actually a challenge and therefore interesting to play.

Imagine what would happen to poker tournaments if you were allowed to buy an Ace at any time?

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Originally by: Bloodpetal

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By creating an artificial way to sink PLEX, they're making it clear they want to empty plex from the system because a PLEX is essentially an advance loan from CCP that resides on the market.

Currently, when you sink PLEX into AUR, you are making a direct contract with CCP so that PLEX can now be used to purchase virtual goods directly from them. There is no way to convert this back to the PLEX system, so if you wish to take those PLEX and convert them into ISK you are forced to buy NeX items (clothing or otherwise) and resale them on the EVE market for ISK.
Where I think they have failed is in realizing that if you got 10,000 players to purchase 1 PLEX to buy a myriad of cheaper clothing, you'd have had more success in doing this than having convinced

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Originally by: Kahza Kado

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Originally by: Jennifer Starling

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Personally I wouldn't buy ships or other stuff but I'd definitely buy SP for AUR if CCP makes it available.
After 30 million SP I'm a bit fed up with waiting for skills because I still can't fly or fit those ships.

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Then you would be getting the unfair advantage the rest of us don't have or can't afford. That right there is what pay-to-win is all about. Where is the satisfaction of accomplishment? I mean really why play the game if you can immediately buy your way to the top? Heck.. Do you think it's fair for a football team to be able to buy the Superbowl Trophy? Or a hockey team just skip the playoffs and buy the Stanley Cup? I am not flaming you, really I am not.. I am just trying to understand that mentality.

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Originally by: Malachor Jankor

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Jennifer your last points are very good and are my main concern about the ability to use RL money to buy in game items.

I know the first time I played EVE a few years ago someone offered me 200 million ISK if I would sign up using him as my contact or whatever so he would get free game time. I thought it was a great deal. I was already planning on signing up and he would get a free month of game time or whatever. The free ISK was a bonus.

Except that once I got that free ISK I just ran around buying everything I wanted and got bored in about 2 days and canceled my account fairly quickly. That is why I have stayed away from purchasing a PLEX. It is tempting. All I would need is one and I would be set for a while. But when I buy my first cruiser I want to feel like I've actually earned it.

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